utility to hand-written signing of PDF documents

I would have thought the conversion to ssd would make that much faster. :)

Post by Soviet_Mario
It's not a problem to me, but assuming my insurance company
would not accept the watermarked signed contract as valid

I am running Mageia distribution with Xfce Desktop Environment.
I installed/use "evince" as my pdf editor.

For signatures I had just been signing the printed pdf, run it through
the scanner using xsane on my Brother Printer, and email the scanned
image.

Post by Soviet_Mario
(I
still hope so, but let's assume not), what program do you
use to "manually" (I mean hand-draw, I have a wacom touchpad
with its stylus) sign PDF documents ?

In that case, I would use gimp to add to pdf.

Soviet_Mario

2019-11-30 13:38:23 UTC

I would have thought the conversion to ssd would make that much faster. :)

lol ... but I should close "some" programs here and reopen later

Post by Soviet_Mario
It's not a problem to me, but assuming my insurance company
would not accept the watermarked signed contract as valid

I am running Mageia distribution with Xfce Desktop Environment.
I installed/use "evince" as my pdf editor.
For signatures I had just been signing the printed pdf, run it through
the scanner using xsane on my Brother Printer, and email the scanned
image.

mmm, I got a very old scanner which had excellent quality
but is slow as a slain (moreover the printer is broken), so
I have to rely on a all-digital way

I'll look for EVINCE

Post by Soviet_Mario
(I
still hope so, but let's assume not), what program do you
use to "manually" (I mean hand-draw, I have a wacom touchpad
with its stylus) sign PDF documents ?

In that case, I would use gimp to add to pdf.

for this time I coped with LbO Draw module (and krita to get
a sign with correct transparency to superimpose) then export
back as PDF.

Not very elegant solution though
let's look for evince

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Soviet_Mario

2019-11-30 13:45:35 UTC

I would have thought the conversion to ssd would make that much faster. :)

Post by Soviet_Mario
It's not a problem to me, but assuming my insurance company
would not accept the watermarked signed contract as valid

I am running Mageia distribution with Xfce Desktop Environment.
I installed/use "evince" as my pdf editor.

uhm, tried to install it just to discover I had just
installed :\

but the version for MX here does only allow for ascii
textual note, not for hand-drawn signature.
For legal contracts they require the hand-drawn (or really
digitally signed and timestamped, but I do not have the true
service lik CNA provider or so).
The simple textual annotation is not suitable to sign the
contract

Post by Bit Twister
For signatures I had just been signing the printed pdf, run it through
the scanner using xsane on my Brother Printer, and email the scanned
image.

Post by Soviet_Mario
(I
still hope so, but let's assume not), what program do you
use to "manually" (I mean hand-draw, I have a wacom touchpad
with its stylus) sign PDF documents ?

In that case, I would use gimp to add to pdf.

--
1) Resistere, resistere, resistere.
2) Se tutti pagano le tasse, le tasse le pagano tutti
Soviet_Mario - (aka Gatto_Vizzato)

Paul

2019-11-30 16:23:58 UTC

I would have thought the conversion to ssd would make that much faster. :)

Post by Soviet_Mario
It's not a problem to me, but assuming my insurance company
would not accept the watermarked signed contract as valid

I am running Mageia distribution with Xfce Desktop Environment.
I installed/use "evince" as my pdf editor.

uhm, tried to install it just to discover I had just installed :\
but the version for MX here does only allow for ascii textual note, not
for hand-drawn signature.
For legal contracts they require the hand-drawn (or really digitally
signed and timestamped, but I do not have the true service lik CNA
provider or so).
The simple textual annotation is not suitable to sign the contract

Post by Bit Twister
For signatures I had just been signing the printed pdf, run it through
the scanner using xsane on my Brother Printer, and email the scanned
image.

Post by Soviet_Mario
(I
still hope so, but let's assume not), what program do you
use to "manually" (I mean hand-draw, I have a wacom touchpad
with its stylus) sign PDF documents ?

In that case, I would use gimp to add to pdf.

*******

Now, when I was using the .deb copy I installed from the above
link, it would not let me select my signature image file.
So the watermark wasn't a barrier for me, because the
tool... wouldn't do anything. Since you seem to have managed
the signature part, my small offering will be the instructions
to remove the watermark :-)

*******

Insurance companies always give daft projects to
customers to do. For example, my daft insurance company,
when I got a new car, they wanted me to "fax the registration
to them". I said I would drive up and give them a photocopy.
Nope. Not good enough. "You have to fax it to us" she said.

Well, car registrations here, use a background pattern intended
to *thwart* attempts to scan or Xerox the registration. There is
a severe Moire pattern in the output. It took me all evening
to defeat that, in my "clandestine registration document
copying lab" :-) I faxed them a nice crispy copy for their
files, and I'm pretty sure they didn't even look at it.

Paul

Soviet_Mario

2019-12-01 12:39:00 UTC

Post by Paul

I would have thought the conversion to ssd would make
that much faster. :)

Post by Soviet_Mario
It's not a problem to me, but assuming my insurance company
would not accept the watermarked signed contract as valid

I am running Mageia distribution with Xfce Desktop
Environment.
I installed/use "evince" as my pdf editor.

uhm, tried to install it just to discover I had just
installed :\
but the version for MX here does only allow for ascii
textual note, not for hand-drawn signature.
For legal contracts they require the hand-drawn (or really
digitally signed and timestamped, but I do not have the
true service lik CNA provider or so).
The simple textual annotation is not suitable to sign the
contract

Post by Bit Twister
For signatures I had just been signing the printed pdf,
run it through
the scanner using xsane on my Brother Printer, and email
the scanned
image.

Post by Soviet_Mario
(I
still hope so, but let's assume not), what program do you
use to "manually" (I mean hand-draw, I have a wacom
touchpad
with its stylus) sign PDF documents ?

In that case, I would use gimp to add to pdf.

And how skillful are you at removing watermarks ? :-)
First, pass the PDF file from the fancy editor, through this.
This may help make the document a bit more readable in a text
editor.
Open original file. Sign it (if the free MPE tool will allow
this!!!).
Save as in.pdf. Run the file through mutool.
Then use a text editor on out.pdf.
mutool clean -d in.pdf out.pdf
*******
/PieceInfo <<
    /ADBE_CompoundType <<
      /Private /WatermarkDemo
      /LastModified (D:20191130101704-05'00')
    >>
>>
/Length 601
stream
q q BT /DeviceRGB cs 1 0 0 scn /DeviceRGB CS 1 0 0 SCN /Fm1
10 Tf
0 -12.5 Td <0001>Tj
7.22 0 Td <0002>Tj
3.33 0 Td <0003>Tj
5.56 0 Td <0004>Tj
5.56 0 Td <0005>Tj
2.77 0 Td <0003>Tj
5.56 0 Td <0006>Tj            We need a sequence with 28
letters
5.56 0 Td <0007>Tj
2.77 0 Td <0008>Tj            "Created in Master PDF Editor"
2.22 0 Td <0009>Tj             1234567890123456789012345678
5.56 0 Td <0007>Tj
2.77 0 Td <000A>Tj            The eighth letter is a "space".
8.33 0 Td <0004>Tj            <0007> is the storage cell of
the "space".
5.56 0 Td <000B>Tj
5 0 Td <0005>Tj               Change all 28 cells to <0007>
2.77 0 Td <0003>Tj            to replace the string with a
5.56 0 Td <0002>Tj            string of spaces.
3.33 0 Td <0007>Tj
2.77 0 Td <000C>Tj
6.66 0 Td <000D>Tj
7.22 0 Td <000E>Tj
6.1 0 Td <0007>Tj
2.77 0 Td <000F>Tj
6.66 0 Td <0006>Tj
5.56 0 Td <0008>Tj
2.22 0 Td <0005>Tj
2.77 0 Td <0010>Tj
5.56 0 Td <0002>Tj
ET Q
endstream
endobj
*******
This is my editing sample. I grabbed a page from a motherboard
user manual, and opened and saved it in Master PDF Editor.
   (What I installed, using gdebi)
https://code-industry.net/public/master-pdf-editor-5.4.38-qt5.amd64.deb
The "before" is on the left. MPE has applied its watermark.
After changing the 28 cells to use <0007>, which is a blank
character,
you get the picture on the right, which is the "after".
https://i.postimg.cc/G2mPzsPv/sample-watermark-removed.gif
*******
Now, when I was using the .deb copy I installed from the above
link, it would not let me select my signature image file.
So the watermark wasn't a barrier for me, because the
tool... wouldn't do anything. Since you seem to have managed
the signature part, my small offering will be the instructions
to remove the watermark :-)
*******
Insurance companies always give daft projects to
customers to do. For example, my daft insurance company,
when I got a new car, they wanted me to "fax the registration
to them". I said I would drive up and give them a photocopy.
Nope. Not good enough. "You have to fax it to us" she said.
Well, car registrations here, use a background pattern intended
to *thwart* attempts to scan or Xerox the registration.
There is
a severe Moire pattern in the output. It took me all evening
to defeat that, in my "clandestine registration document
copying lab" :-) I faxed them a nice crispy copy for their
files, and I'm pretty sure they didn't even look at it.
   Paul

wow .... I'll save the post for worse days .... meanwhile I
simply wait to see whether or not they complaint about the
watermarked form. If they don't I'll not edit.

anyway, XOURNAL does not watermark anything, for when one's
in a hurry :)

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2) Se tutti pagano le tasse, le tasse le pagano tutti
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Paul

2019-12-01 17:10:25 UTC

wow .... I'll save the post for worse days .... meanwhile I simply wait
to see whether or not they complaint about the watermarked form. If they
don't I'll not edit.
anyway, XOURNAL does not watermark anything, for when one's in a hurry :)

Master PDF Editor would not allow me to add the
signature, complaining this was only for the registered
product. So in that situation, the "watermark protection"
really isn't necessary, because the tool won't allow you
to do anything of value, anyway.

That's why I was curious how you had succeeded to do that.

It does re-write the stream objects in the file, so it
does "clean" the file a bit. But that's only of academic
interest to busy people.

Paul

Soviet_Mario

2019-12-01 17:55:14 UTC

Post by Paul

Post by Soviet_Mario
wow .... I'll save the post for worse days .... meanwhile
I simply wait to see whether or not they complaint about
the watermarked form. If they don't I'll not edit.
anyway, XOURNAL does not watermark anything, for when
one's in a hurry :)

Master PDF Editor would not allow me to add the
signature, complaining this was only for the registered
product. So in that situation, the "watermark protection"
really isn't necessary, because the tool won't allow you
to do anything of value, anyway.
That's why I was curious how you had succeeded to do that.
It does re-write the stream objects in the file, so it
does "clean" the file a bit. But that's only of academic
interest to busy people.

dunno, no skill by me.
I had installed both last versions (and used latest), which
should be 5 or 4.5

it enabled directly hand-writing but then added a pale
"filigrana" (a faint watermark).
It was tricky : at every single SAVE operation, it
overlapped with preceding one and got more and more
"intense". (maybe they sum the alpha channels values before
superimposing the result)

Luckily I discovered that at second attempt of saving (I
tend to save often, as the crash might be under the corner,
or power off).

Maybe it will be a time-limited function ? Dunno ...

Post by Paul
Paul

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Carlos E.R.

2019-11-30 14:32:18 UTC

I would have thought the conversion to ssd would make that much faster. :)

Post by Soviet_Mario
It's not a problem to me, but assuming my insurance company
would not accept the watermarked signed contract as valid

I am running Mageia distribution with Xfce Desktop Environment.
I installed/use "evince" as my pdf editor.
For signatures I had just been signing the printed pdf, run it through
the scanner using xsane on my Brother Printer, and email the scanned
image.

Post by Soviet_Mario
(I
still hope so, but let's assume not), what program do you
use to "manually" (I mean hand-draw, I have a wacom touchpad
with its stylus) sign PDF documents ?

In that case, I would use gimp to add to pdf.

The proper way should be a cryptographic signature, not a pen and paper
one :-)

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Chris Elvidge

2019-11-30 14:41:40 UTC

Post by Carlos E.R.

I would have thought the conversion to ssd would make that much faster. :)

Post by Soviet_Mario
It's not a problem to me, but assuming my insurance company
would not accept the watermarked signed contract as valid

I am running Mageia distribution with Xfce Desktop Environment.
I installed/use "evince" as my pdf editor.
For signatures I had just been signing the printed pdf, run it through
the scanner using xsane on my Brother Printer, and email the scanned
image.

Post by Soviet_Mario
(I
still hope so, but let's assume not), what program do you
use to "manually" (I mean hand-draw, I have a wacom touchpad
with its stylus) sign PDF documents ?

In that case, I would use gimp to add to pdf.

The proper way should be a cryptographic signature, not a pen and paper
one :-)

Try telling that to a solicitor who wants a signed copy of a document.

--
Chris Elvidge, England

William Unruh

2019-11-30 19:14:48 UTC

Post by Chris Elvidge

Post by Carlos E.R.

I would have thought the conversion to ssd would make that much faster. :)

Post by Soviet_Mario
It's not a problem to me, but assuming my insurance company
would not accept the watermarked signed contract as valid

I am running Mageia distribution with Xfce Desktop Environment.
I installed/use "evince" as my pdf editor.
For signatures I had just been signing the printed pdf, run it through
the scanner using xsane on my Brother Printer, and email the scanned
image.

Post by Soviet_Mario
(I
still hope so, but let's assume not), what program do you
use to "manually" (I mean hand-draw, I have a wacom touchpad
with its stylus) sign PDF documents ?

In that case, I would use gimp to add to pdf.

The proper way should be a cryptographic signature, not a pen and paper
one :-)

Try telling that to a solicitor who wants a signed copy of a document.

They have long accepted faxed documents. So a PDF with a scanned
signature should not be a problem.

Carlos E.R.

2019-11-30 19:30:41 UTC

Post by Chris Elvidge

Post by Carlos E.R.

I would have thought the conversion to ssd would make that much faster. :)

Post by Soviet_Mario
It's not a problem to me, but assuming my insurance company
would not accept the watermarked signed contract as valid

I am running Mageia distribution with Xfce Desktop Environment.
I installed/use "evince" as my pdf editor.
For signatures I had just been signing the printed pdf, run it through
the scanner using xsane on my Brother Printer, and email the scanned
image.

Post by Soviet_Mario
(I
still hope so, but let's assume not), what program do you
use to "manually" (I mean hand-draw, I have a wacom touchpad
with its stylus) sign PDF documents ?

In that case, I would use gimp to add to pdf.

The proper way should be a cryptographic signature, not a pen and paper
one :-)

Try telling that to a solicitor who wants a signed copy of a document.

I know, I know. :-D
But it depends, because I get crypto-signed PDFs from some utility
companies (not all). Their lawyers know what they are doing.

Tell them that if they show to you your own mouse-signed PDF, you will
negate it being yours, and no court can tell it is yours. At most they
can tell "it may be" or "it probably is, but perhaps not".

You can negate it being yours simply because you can not verify if it
has being modified after you signed it.

And if their lawyers do not know this, they are crap ans should be fired.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Ned Latham

2019-11-30 14:59:38 UTC

Bit Twister wrote:

----snip----

Post by Bit Twister
I am running Mageia distribution with Xfce Desktop Environment.
I installed/use "evince" as my pdf editor.

I thought evince was just a reader (that's the way it's described at
Slackbuilds).

----snip----

Soviet_Mario

2019-11-30 15:13:30 UTC

Post by Ned Latham
----snip----

Post by Bit Twister
I am running Mageia distribution with Xfce Desktop Environment.
I installed/use "evince" as my pdf editor.

I thought evince was just a reader (that's the way it's described at
Slackbuilds).
----snip----

it supports some annotation, but not "drawing"

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Ned Latham

2019-11-30 16:12:41 UTC

Post by Ned Latham
----snip----

Post by Bit Twister
I am running Mageia distribution with Xfce Desktop Environment.
I installed/use "evince" as my pdf editor.

I thought evince was just a reader (that's the way it's described at
Slackbuilds).

it supports some annotation, but not "drawing"

Ah. Thanks for that.

Andrei Z.

2019-11-30 14:59:20 UTC

I am trying Master PDF Editor, but It adds a superimpressed watermark
(in the free version)
In Debian I have some, but I can't recall the name and have no time to
log off from MX and reload from start.
It's not a problem to me, but assuming my insurance company would not
accept the watermarked signed contract as valid (I still hope so, but
let's assume not), what program do you use to "manually" (I mean
hand-draw, I have a wacom touchpad with its stylus) sign PDF documents ?
Tnx for suggestions

Xournal++
https://github.com/xournalpp/xournalpp

Handwritten Notes And PDF Annotation Tool Xournal++ Update Brings New
Floating Toolbox - Linux Uprising Blog
https://www.linuxuprising.com/2019/10/handwritten-notes-and-pdf-annotation.html

Xournal++ 1.0.5 Released! How to Install it in ubuntu | UbuntuHandbook
http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2019/10/xournal-1-0-5-released-install-ubuntu/

I have not used this software.

Soviet_Mario

2019-11-30 15:14:01 UTC

Post by Soviet_Mario
I am trying Master PDF Editor, but It adds a
superimpressed watermark (in the free version)
In Debian I have some, but I can't recall the name and
have no time to log off from MX and reload from start.
It's not a problem to me, but assuming my insurance
company would not accept the watermarked signed contract
as valid (I still hope so, but let's assume not), what
program do you use to "manually" (I mean hand-draw, I have
a wacom touchpad with its stylus) sign PDF documents ?
Tnx for suggestions

Xournal++
https://github.com/xournalpp/xournalpp
Handwritten Notes And PDF Annotation Tool Xournal++ Update
Brings New Floating Toolbox - Linux Uprising Blog
https://www.linuxuprising.com/2019/10/handwritten-notes-and-pdf-annotation.html
Xournal++ 1.0.5 Released! How to Install it in ubuntu |
UbuntuHandbook
http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2019/10/xournal-1-0-5-released-install-ubuntu/
I have not used this software.

I'll give it a try, thanks

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2) Se tutti pagano le tasse, le tasse le pagano tutti
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Soviet_Mario

2019-11-30 15:31:14 UTC

Xournal++
https://github.com/xournalpp/xournalpp
Handwritten Notes And PDF Annotation Tool Xournal++ Update
Brings New Floating Toolbox - Linux Uprising Blog
https://www.linuxuprising.com/2019/10/handwritten-notes-and-pdf-annotation.html
Xournal++ 1.0.5 Released! How to Install it in ubuntu |
UbuntuHandbook
http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2019/10/xournal-1-0-5-released-install-ubuntu/
I have not used this software.

hi, XOURNAL does belong to MX repo.
Installed, very lite, and simply perfect for the task.
Also it uses a thick width and smooths vibrations and stilus
tremblings giving a fluid trace much as using a physical pencil.
TNX a lot

(ah, the default save format is "internal", but it has the
function to EXPORT TO PDF, besides importing them as
background. I have verified the results with OKULAR and QPDF
and they seem regular, alignment of the layers perfect)

surely recommended to edit "manually" (maybe not so if one
has a character 1:1 restrainted input, some forms do have
this feature for entering previdence codes zip codes or so)

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J.O. Aho

2019-11-30 15:26:23 UTC

On 30/11/2019 12.50, Soviet_Mario wrote:

Okular works well if you can manage to write with your mouse.

Bit Twister

2019-11-30 15:32:04 UTC

Post by J.O. Aho
Okular works well if you can manage to write with your mouse.

Bad thing about that is a boat load of Plasma/kde libraries and whatnot
pulled in if you want to install it.

J.O. Aho

2019-11-30 16:14:52 UTC

Post by J.O. Aho
Okular works well if you can manage to write with your mouse.

Bad thing about that is a boat load of Plasma/kde libraries and whatnot
pulled in if you want to install it.

At least don't have the user unfriendly gtk3 stuff pulled in. :)

--
//Aho

Aragorn

2019-11-30 22:07:45 UTC

Post by J.O. Aho
Okular works well if you can manage to write with your mouse.

Bad thing about that is a boat load of Plasma/kde libraries and
whatnot pulled in if you want to install it.

Which is not a problem if one is already running KDE Plasma as their
desktop environment. And in that case, installing GTK applications
requires a boat load of GTK2, GTK3 and possibly even some GNOME
libraries to be pulled in as dependencies.

It's a trade-off with any kind of graphical user interface. Everything
is using shared libraries, and almost nobody writes any fully
self-supporting standalone applications anymore — unless it's written
in Java, but then you need to install a JRE.

All modern general-purpose GNU/Linux installations have a mix of both
GTK and Qt libraries installed — and for that matter, GTK comes in two
varieties that are both still in active use. And if you're going to be
using any of the Enlightenment tools in either a GTK- or Qt-based
environment, then you've probably already pulled in a bunch of
E-libraries as well.

--
With respect,
= Aragorn =

Soviet_Mario

2019-11-30 15:35:32 UTC

Post by J.O. Aho
Okular works well if you can manage to write with your mouse.

strangely it supports the mouse (unusable per se) but it
does very buggily manage wacom stilus (intuos touchpad) : it
draws not only the drawings but generates weird straight
lines connecting each node of the track to an arbitrary
"origin". The output is really bizarre.

the XOURNAL program that suggested Andrei very smoothly
manage touchpad table and stilus, really as natural as using
a physical pencil. I guess there is some heavy sampling
optimization in background polishing away background noise
from touchpad input, that normally affects the smoothness
and gives a line full of jagged tips.

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J.O. Aho

2019-11-30 19:08:58 UTC

Post by J.O. Aho
Okular works well if you can manage to write with your mouse.

strangely it supports the mouse (unusable per se)

I think it's just a question about practice, I do write a quite similar
signature with the mouse as with my pen and then I use different hands
for pen and mouse.

One alternative I think someone may have already suggested, is to have
your signature as a transparent image and just merge it on top of the
original pfd, but not sure if there is a pdf reader which would give you
that out of the box and using convert would require you to know the
coordinates and the PDI of the pdf you want to add the signature to,
which would be a bit too much job.

--
//Aho

Soviet_Mario

2019-12-01 00:00:43 UTC

Post by J.O. Aho

Post by J.O. Aho
Okular works well if you can manage to write with your
mouse.

strangely it supports the mouse (unusable per se)

I think it's just a question about practice, I do write a
quite similar signature with the mouse as with my pen and
then I use different hands for pen and mouse.

how many attempts and how much time to get an acceptable
result ?

Post by J.O. Aho
One alternative I think someone may have already suggested,
is to have your signature as a transparent image and just
merge it on top of the original pfd, but not sure if there

yes I send the docs BEFORE the discovery of Xournal, and I
made that : signed in "transparent" background with Krita,
copy and paste in LbO Draw/Flow (?) module and export PDF

a bad way of working anyway

Post by J.O. Aho
is a pdf reader which would give you that out of the box and
using convert would require you to know the coordinates and
the PDI of the pdf you want to add the signature to, which
would be a bit too much job.

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J.O. Aho

2019-12-01 12:08:42 UTC

Post by J.O. Aho

Post by J.O. Aho
Okular works well if you can manage to write with your mouse.

strangely it supports the mouse (unusable per se)

I think it's just a question about practice, I do write a quite
similar signature with the mouse as with my pen and then I use
different hands for pen and mouse.

how many attempts and how much time to get an acceptable result ?

x = y + z

It's quite individual, for me it wasn't many tries.

--
//Aho

John Hasler

2019-11-30 15:28:24 UTC

what program do you use to "manually" (I mean hand-draw, I have a
wacom touchpad with its stylus) sign PDF documents ?

Try Okular.

--
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***@newsguy.com
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI USA

Soviet_Mario

2019-11-30 16:18:18 UTC

On 30/11/2019 12:50, Soviet_Mario wrote:

to sum up, the best fit for (just) hand-drawn signing seems
XOURNAL sw : light, much faster than big generic sw like LbO
or similar, and perfect feel of touchpad stilus

I assume nobody wold ever will to really SIGN a contract
with the mouse as the manual sign would be very different,
so they will be using some pencil like tools or touch screens.

Otherwise true pen and true paper and scanner or photocamera.

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William Unruh

2019-11-30 19:31:32 UTC

Post by Soviet_Mario
to sum up, the best fit for (just) hand-drawn signing seems
XOURNAL sw : light, much faster than big generic sw like LbO
or similar, and perfect feel of touchpad stilus
I assume nobody wold ever will to really SIGN a contract
with the mouse as the manual sign would be very different,
so they will be using some pencil like tools or touch screens.
Otherwise true pen and true paper and scanner or photocamera.

Just tried Xournal with the mouse pad. It seems to tend to produce
straightened lines, and relative motion so that the signature for
example wanders all over the page--ie looks nothing like my signature. I
do not have my Wacom pad here so cannot try that.

But it looks useful if one can figure it out or get the right technology
to do what you want. Looks useful for marking up student's papers.

Soviet_Mario

2019-12-01 00:04:34 UTC

very strange ... the opposite of my experience. I suspected
some heavy input mangling, maybe the algorithm that fits so
well with Intuos Wacom works very bad with the mouse pad, a
mistery.

Post by William Unruh
But it looks useful if one can figure it out or get the right technology
to do what you want. Looks useful for marking up student's papers.

yes, and making paper-annotations

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1) Resistere, resistere, resistere.
2) Se tutti pagano le tasse, le tasse le pagano tutti
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Andrei Z.

2019-12-01 06:48:50 UTC

very strange ... the opposite of my experience. I suspected some heavy
input mangling, maybe the algorithm that fits so well with Intuos Wacom
works very bad with the mouse pad, a mistery.

Post by William Unruh
But it looks useful if one can figure it out or get the right technology
to do what you want. Looks useful for marking up student's papers.

yes, and making paper-annotations

Are you using the same Xournal ?

There are Xournal
http://xournal.sourceforge.net/
https://sourceforge.net/projects/xournal/

and Xournal++
https://github.com/xournalpp/xournalpp

xournal is in many repositories
https://repology.org/project/xournal/versions

xournalpp is not
https://repology.org/project/xournalpp/versions

Soviet_Mario

2019-12-01 12:47:44 UTC

Post by Soviet_Mario
to sum up, the best fit for (just) hand-drawn signing seems
XOURNAL sw : light, much faster than big generic sw like
LbO
or similar, and perfect feel of touchpad stilus
I assume nobody wold ever will to really SIGN a contract
with the mouse as the manual sign would be very different,
so they will be using some pencil like tools or touch
screens.
Otherwise true pen and true paper and scanner or
photocamera.

very strange ... the opposite of my experience. I
suspected some heavy input mangling, maybe the algorithm
that fits so well with Intuos Wacom works very bad with
the mouse pad, a mistery.

Post by William Unruh
But it looks useful if one can figure it out or get the
right technology
to do what you want. Looks useful for marking up
student's papers.

yes, and making paper-annotations

Are you using the same Xournal ?
There are Xournal
http://xournal.sourceforge.net/
https://sourceforge.net/projects/xournal/
and Xournal++
https://github.com/xournalpp/xournalpp
xournal is in many repositories
https://repology.org/project/xournal/versions
xournalpp is not
https://repology.org/project/xournalpp/versions

dunno, I installed (on MX) via the standard MX repo (only
item found).
Here I'm on Debian and the MX partition is unmounted.
I don't remember which version was ... oh, I'll look for it :)

no, in /usr/sbin and /usr/share i just find "plain" entries
named xournal undecorated (but I have not located the
executable, just shared lib and some config and backgrounds)

I'll search also here on Debian repo and try it out

--
1) Resistere, resistere, resistere.
2) Se tutti pagano le tasse, le tasse le pagano tutti
Soviet_Mario - (aka Gatto_Vizzato)

Soviet_Mario

2019-12-01 12:52:13 UTC

Post by Soviet_Mario
to sum up, the best fit for (just) hand-drawn signing
seems
XOURNAL sw : light, much faster than big generic sw
like LbO
or similar, and perfect feel of touchpad stilus
I assume nobody wold ever will to really SIGN a contract
with the mouse as the manual sign would be very different,
so they will be using some pencil like tools or touch
screens.
Otherwise true pen and true paper and scanner or
photocamera.

very strange ... the opposite of my experience. I
suspected some heavy input mangling, maybe the algorithm
that fits so well with Intuos Wacom works very bad with
the mouse pad, a mistery.

Post by William Unruh
But it looks useful if one can figure it out or get the
right technology
to do what you want. Looks useful for marking up
student's papers.

yes, and making paper-annotations

Are you using the same Xournal ?
There are Xournal
http://xournal.sourceforge.net/
https://sourceforge.net/projects/xournal/
and Xournal++
https://github.com/xournalpp/xournalpp
xournal is in many repositories
https://repology.org/project/xournal/versions
xournalpp is not
https://repology.org/project/xournalpp/versions

dunno, I installed (on MX) via the standard MX repo (only
item found).
Here I'm on Debian and the MX partition is unmounted.
I don't remember which version was ... oh, I'll look for it :)
no, in /usr/sbin and /usr/share i just find "plain" entries
named xournal undecorated (but I have not located the
executable, just shared lib and some config and backgrounds)
I'll search also here on Debian repo and try it out

hey, also DEBIAN has it (version 0.4.8), very likely older
than MX repo, but same PERFECT, really smooth feeling.
Perhaps the developer had an Wacom Intuos touchpad ! when He
decided the calibration algorithm to polish the input :)

This sw is the example of programs making few things but
very well out of the box

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1) Resistere, resistere, resistere.
2) Se tutti pagano le tasse, le tasse le pagano tutti
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William Unruh

2019-12-01 13:43:11 UTC

I am using xournal from the Mageia repository.

Using the trackpad for input is pretty useless.

Post by Andrei Z.
Are you using the same Xournal ?
There are Xournal
http://xournal.sourceforge.net/
https://sourceforge.net/projects/xournal/
and Xournal++
https://github.com/xournalpp/xournalpp
xournal is in many repositories
https://repology.org/project/xournal/versions
xournalpp is not
https://repology.org/project/xournalpp/versions

Jim Diamond

2019-12-02 22:27:51 UTC