The Joy of GNU/Linux (Sincerely)

[Jody Stankowitz]

In article <pan$4a12c$194384aa$88ca8b74$d240ab10
@linux.rocks>, ***@linux.rocks says...

Hey GNU/Linux enthusiasts! (Distro lackeys go away.)
My marvelous Gentoo portage machine recently updated glib and
several associated packages.
Then, my equally marvelous Midnight Commander suddenly could not
open files. WTF! What was a poor boy to do?
Fortunately, the equally marvelous GNU/Linux community came
to the rescue. A bug report and solution was already submitted
http://midnight-commander.org/ticket/4502
But the problem is not MC but that fucking glib, which is another
product of the assholic freedesktop.org.
Linus Torvalds, the benevolent dictator of the Linux kernel,
has always enforced the basic dictum: do not break user space.
Indeed, one can be assured that the essential kernel API will
remain unchanged and all software will continue to function
as per usual.
"Fuck you. We can change the fucking API any time we fucking
please without fucking prior notification."
Those freedesktop.org assholes should be dragged into the
street and beaten with heavy chains.

You use Gentoo?
WTF?
Why?
Well that explains why you are so fucked up.

[Farley Flud]

Post by Jody Stankowitz
You use Gentoo?
WTF?
Why?
Well that explains why you are so fucked up.

Google, the biggest corp on planet Earth, also uses Gentoo.

Would they ever hire you?

Not even for hallway sweeper.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

[CrudeSausage]

Post by Jody Stankowitz
In article <pan$4a12c$194384aa$88ca8b74$d240ab10
@linux.rocks>, ***@linux.rocks says...

Hey GNU/Linux enthusiasts! (Distro lackeys go away.)
My marvelous Gentoo portage machine recently updated glib and
several associated packages.
Then, my equally marvelous Midnight Commander suddenly could not
open files. WTF! What was a poor boy to do?
Fortunately, the equally marvelous GNU/Linux community came
to the rescue. A bug report and solution was already submitted
http://midnight-commander.org/ticket/4502
But the problem is not MC but that fucking glib, which is another
product of the assholic freedesktop.org.
Linus Torvalds, the benevolent dictator of the Linux kernel,
has always enforced the basic dictum: do not break user space.
Indeed, one can be assured that the essential kernel API will
remain unchanged and all software will continue to function
as per usual.
"Fuck you. We can change the fucking API any time we fucking
please without fucking prior notification."
Those freedesktop.org assholes should be dragged into the
street and beaten with heavy chains.

You use Gentoo?
WTF?
Why?
Well that explains why you are so fucked up.

There's nothing wrong with Gentoo but it is definitely more work than
most users would be willing to go through.

[Farley Flud]

Post by CrudeSausage
There's nothing wrong with Gentoo but it is definitely more work than
most users would be willing to go through.

What's this? The voice of authority?

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

This mutherfucking deadbeat couldn't be an authority on ass wiping.

Let him take his dreams of grandeur where they belong -- up his
fucking ass.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

[Joel]

Post by CrudeSausage

Post by Jody Stankowitz
In article <pan$4a12c$194384aa$88ca8b74$d240ab10
@linux.rocks>, ***@linux.rocks says...

Hey GNU/Linux enthusiasts! (Distro lackeys go away.)
My marvelous Gentoo portage machine recently updated glib and
several associated packages.
Then, my equally marvelous Midnight Commander suddenly could not
open files. WTF! What was a poor boy to do?
Fortunately, the equally marvelous GNU/Linux community came
to the rescue. A bug report and solution was already submitted
http://midnight-commander.org/ticket/4502
But the problem is not MC but that fucking glib, which is another
product of the assholic freedesktop.org.
Linus Torvalds, the benevolent dictator of the Linux kernel,
has always enforced the basic dictum: do not break user space.
Indeed, one can be assured that the essential kernel API will
remain unchanged and all software will continue to function
as per usual.
"Fuck you. We can change the fucking API any time we fucking
please without fucking prior notification."
Those freedesktop.org assholes should be dragged into the
street and beaten with heavy chains.

You use Gentoo?
WTF?
Why?
Well that explains why you are so fucked up.

There's nothing wrong with Gentoo but it is definitely more work than
most users would be willing to go through.

Distros give one a semblance of what Winblows gives, but in an
ordered, efficient manner, Larry could use the same distro as me, and
have leet status, he just demands something beyond even that, and I
can't stop him from using a Xeon with a hard drive, but I can make fun
of him due to the fact that he's posted transphobic/anal-phobic crap,
and disrespected anything other than his weirdo OS setup.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

[CrudeSausage]

Post by Joel

Post by CrudeSausage

Post by Jody Stankowitz
In article <pan$4a12c$194384aa$88ca8b74$d240ab10
@linux.rocks>, ***@linux.rocks says...

Hey GNU/Linux enthusiasts! (Distro lackeys go away.)
My marvelous Gentoo portage machine recently updated glib and
several associated packages.
Then, my equally marvelous Midnight Commander suddenly could not
open files. WTF! What was a poor boy to do?
Fortunately, the equally marvelous GNU/Linux community came
to the rescue. A bug report and solution was already submitted
http://midnight-commander.org/ticket/4502
But the problem is not MC but that fucking glib, which is another
product of the assholic freedesktop.org.
Linus Torvalds, the benevolent dictator of the Linux kernel,
has always enforced the basic dictum: do not break user space.
Indeed, one can be assured that the essential kernel API will
remain unchanged and all software will continue to function
as per usual.
"Fuck you. We can change the fucking API any time we fucking
please without fucking prior notification."
Those freedesktop.org assholes should be dragged into the
street and beaten with heavy chains.

You use Gentoo?
WTF?
Why?
Well that explains why you are so fucked up.

There's nothing wrong with Gentoo but it is definitely more work than
most users would be willing to go through.

Distros give one a semblance of what Winblows gives, but in an
ordered, efficient manner, Larry could use the same distro as me, and
have leet status, he just demands something beyond even that, and I
can't stop him from using a Xeon with a hard drive, but I can make fun
of him due to the fact that he's posted transphobic/anal-phobic crap,
and disrespected anything other than his weirdo OS setup.

Who the heck cares if he disrespected pedophiles who dress up as women
in a Linux group? Larry Pietraskiewicz is an annoying cretin but not one
of us cares if some demented child diddler's feelings got hurt.

[Paul]

Post by Jody Stankowitz
In article <pan$4a12c$194384aa$88ca8b74$d240ab10
@linux.rocks>, ***@linux.rocks says...

Hey GNU/Linux enthusiasts! (Distro lackeys go away.)
My marvelous Gentoo portage machine recently updated glib and
several associated packages.
Then, my equally marvelous Midnight Commander suddenly could not
open files.  WTF!  What was a poor boy to do?
Fortunately, the equally marvelous GNU/Linux community came
to the rescue.  A bug report and solution was already submitted
http://midnight-commander.org/ticket/4502
But the problem is not MC but that fucking glib, which is another
product of the assholic freedesktop.org.
Linus Torvalds, the benevolent dictator of the Linux kernel,
has always enforced the basic dictum: do not break user space.
Indeed, one can be assured that the essential kernel API will
remain unchanged and all software will continue to function
as per usual.
"Fuck you.  We can change the fucking API any time we fucking
please without fucking prior notification."
Those freedesktop.org assholes should be dragged into the
street and beaten with heavy chains.

You use Gentoo?
WTF?
Why?
Well that explains why you are so fucked up.

There's nothing wrong with Gentoo but it is definitely more work than most users would be willing to go through.

The Handbook is a gentle introduction to some of the moving parts of Linux.
That's not work. You just took a short course, and followed the collateral
materials.

This is similar to driving an automobile and not knowing how it all works.
Gentoo is opening the hood and seeing the engine for the first time.
And the guided manual tells you "this is the alternator" and "that's
your air conditioning right there".

And, it allows a person to customize a bit, but the added performance
of a trimmed kernel isn't likely to be measurable. I played around
with building the kernel a couple times. Good for a laugh, and you
can see how some kernel selections are complicated (controls may be
in more than one place, forget to go to the second place and
stuff ends up busted).

The first time I set up a Gentoo on a Core2, and set the compiler
directive for a Core2 processor, it "felt" a little faster, but
that could easily be the placebo effect. That particular machine,
the motherboard blew on it, so it's gone. Most of the things I
try on computers now, to make them faster, the lack of a visible
result takes all the fun out of it.

As another aspect, I even set up a distcc so it could do compiles faster by
using my other machine. Which was good for a lark.

But as for making a daily driver from it, you have to keep up
with the rolling nature of the thing. If you put it away for
six months, and enough of the wrong kind of changes happen.
you'll need a comp.sci PhD to figure it out :-)
Can't go forward/can't go back/need to set a bias.
I'm not good at figuring those out. If you do your updates
every day, the disturbance a transition in a subsystem makes
is minimal at that point. It's when you neglect your maintenance
you can get in trouble. Other distributions, the penalty for
putting them on the shelf, just isn't the same.

Paul

[CrudeSausage]

Post by Paul

Post by Jody Stankowitz
In article <pan$4a12c$194384aa$88ca8b74$d240ab10
@linux.rocks>, ***@linux.rocks says...

Hey GNU/Linux enthusiasts! (Distro lackeys go away.)
My marvelous Gentoo portage machine recently updated glib and
several associated packages.
Then, my equally marvelous Midnight Commander suddenly could not
open files.  WTF!  What was a poor boy to do?
Fortunately, the equally marvelous GNU/Linux community came
to the rescue.  A bug report and solution was already submitted
http://midnight-commander.org/ticket/4502
But the problem is not MC but that fucking glib, which is another
product of the assholic freedesktop.org.
Linus Torvalds, the benevolent dictator of the Linux kernel,
has always enforced the basic dictum: do not break user space.
Indeed, one can be assured that the essential kernel API will
remain unchanged and all software will continue to function
as per usual.
"Fuck you.  We can change the fucking API any time we fucking
please without fucking prior notification."
Those freedesktop.org assholes should be dragged into the
street and beaten with heavy chains.

You use Gentoo?
WTF?
Why?
Well that explains why you are so fucked up.

There's nothing wrong with Gentoo but it is definitely more work than most users would be willing to go through.

The Handbook is a gentle introduction to some of the moving parts of Linux.
That's not work. You just took a short course, and followed the collateral
materials.
This is similar to driving an automobile and not knowing how it all works.
Gentoo is opening the hood and seeing the engine for the first time.
And the guided manual tells you "this is the alternator" and "that's
your air conditioning right there".
And, it allows a person to customize a bit, but the added performance
of a trimmed kernel isn't likely to be measurable. I played around
with building the kernel a couple times. Good for a laugh, and you
can see how some kernel selections are complicated (controls may be
in more than one place, forget to go to the second place and
stuff ends up busted).
The first time I set up a Gentoo on a Core2, and set the compiler
directive for a Core2 processor, it "felt" a little faster, but
that could easily be the placebo effect. That particular machine,
the motherboard blew on it, so it's gone. Most of the things I
try on computers now, to make them faster, the lack of a visible
result takes all the fun out of it.
As another aspect, I even set up a distcc so it could do compiles faster by
using my other machine. Which was good for a lark.
But as for making a daily driver from it, you have to keep up
with the rolling nature of the thing. If you put it away for
six months, and enough of the wrong kind of changes happen.
you'll need a comp.sci PhD to figure it out :-)
Can't go forward/can't go back/need to set a bias.
I'm not good at figuring those out. If you do your updates
every day, the disturbance a transition in a subsystem makes
is minimal at that point. It's when you neglect your maintenance
you can get in trouble. Other distributions, the penalty for
putting them on the shelf, just isn't the same.

I wouldn't know, I haven't played with Gentoo since 2004 or so. My
friend suggested it to me and told me that I could get some additional
performance out of my Duron or whatever I was using, but I didn't see a
single advantage of using it over Ubuntu.

[bad sector]

Post by Paul

Post by Jody Stankowitz
In article <pan$4a12c$194384aa$88ca8b74$d240ab10
@linux.rocks>, ***@linux.rocks says...

Hey GNU/Linux enthusiasts! (Distro lackeys go away.)
My marvelous Gentoo portage machine recently updated glib and
several associated packages.
Then, my equally marvelous Midnight Commander suddenly could not
open files.  WTF!  What was a poor boy to do?
Fortunately, the equally marvelous GNU/Linux community came
to the rescue.  A bug report and solution was already submitted
http://midnight-commander.org/ticket/4502
But the problem is not MC but that fucking glib, which is another
product of the assholic freedesktop.org.
Linus Torvalds, the benevolent dictator of the Linux kernel,
has always enforced the basic dictum: do not break user space.
Indeed, one can be assured that the essential kernel API will
remain unchanged and all software will continue to function
as per usual.
"Fuck you.  We can change the fucking API any time we fucking
please without fucking prior notification."
Those freedesktop.org assholes should be dragged into the
street and beaten with heavy chains.

You use Gentoo?
WTF?
Why?
Well that explains why you are so fucked up.

There's nothing wrong with Gentoo but it is definitely more work than most users would be willing to go through.

The Handbook is a gentle introduction to some of the moving parts of Linux.
That's not work. You just took a short course, and followed the collateral
materials.
This is similar to driving an automobile and not knowing how it all works.
Gentoo is opening the hood and seeing the engine for the first time.
And the guided manual tells you "this is the alternator" and "that's
your air conditioning right there".
And, it allows a person to customize a bit, but the added performance
of a trimmed kernel isn't likely to be measurable. I played around
with building the kernel a couple times. Good for a laugh, and you
can see how some kernel selections are complicated (controls may be
in more than one place, forget to go to the second place and
stuff ends up busted).
The first time I set up a Gentoo on a Core2, and set the compiler
directive for a Core2 processor, it "felt" a little faster, but
that could easily be the placebo effect. That particular machine,
the motherboard blew on it, so it's gone. Most of the things I
try on computers now, to make them faster, the lack of a visible
result takes all the fun out of it.
As another aspect, I even set up a distcc so it could do compiles faster by
using my other machine. Which was good for a lark.
But as for making a daily driver from it, you have to keep up
with the rolling nature of the thing. If you put it away for
six months, and enough of the wrong kind of changes happen.
you'll need a comp.sci PhD to figure it out :-)
Can't go forward/can't go back/need to set a bias.
I'm not good at figuring those out. If you do your updates
every day, the disturbance a transition in a subsystem makes
is minimal at that point. It's when you neglect your maintenance
you can get in trouble. Other distributions, the penalty for
putting them on the shelf, just isn't the same.
Paul

I once had an Austin-3000-MK-II with them dreaded SU carburetors that
were, really, mechanical wonders of simplicity and joy for a mechanic. I
still miss them ...but they became a horror show when they put 3 of
them in series, one for each two cylinders. If you didn't know how to
literally 'tune' them by putting a hose to your ear and quickly
comparing the pitches made by the rushing air you were eiher in deep
shit, a regular customer at the corner garage, or the employer of a pro
which tends to become expensive. The pins would bend every time the
beast would backfart so it became a weekly chore. I learned how to do it
alright, but when I first tried gentoo I soon realised that it would be
another set of SU carburators so I 'let it go' and now just use half a
dozen other distros instead. It's a resource allocation issue, a minor
one at that, pure and simple.

[Chris Ahlstrom]

Post by Paul
As another aspect, I even set up a distcc so it could do compiles faster by
using my other machine. Which was good for a lark.

I like that the Meson build system manages ccache for ya.

[pothead]

Post by Jody Stankowitz
In article <pan$4a12c$194384aa$88ca8b74$d240ab10
@linux.rocks>, ***@linux.rocks says...

Hey GNU/Linux enthusiasts! (Distro lackeys go away.)
My marvelous Gentoo portage machine recently updated glib and
several associated packages.
Then, my equally marvelous Midnight Commander suddenly could not
open files. WTF! What was a poor boy to do?
Fortunately, the equally marvelous GNU/Linux community came
to the rescue. A bug report and solution was already submitted
http://midnight-commander.org/ticket/4502
But the problem is not MC but that fucking glib, which is another
product of the assholic freedesktop.org.
Linus Torvalds, the benevolent dictator of the Linux kernel,
has always enforced the basic dictum: do not break user space.
Indeed, one can be assured that the essential kernel API will
remain unchanged and all software will continue to function
as per usual.
"Fuck you. We can change the fucking API any time we fucking
please without fucking prior notification."
Those freedesktop.org assholes should be dragged into the
street and beaten with heavy chains.

You use Gentoo?
WTF?
Why?
Well that explains why you are so fucked up.

Thanks for the information.
I use MX Linux but might give Gentoo a try if I have some free time over the
holidays.
--
pothead

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[Joel]

Post by pothead

You [Larry] use Gentoo?
WTF?
Why?
Well that explains why you are so fucked up.

Thanks for the information.
I use MX Linux but might give Gentoo a try if I have some free time over the
holidays.

Larry has a Xeon CPU with a hard drive to boot from. If that gives
you an idea of what actually using a Gentoo setup would tend to be
like.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.