Discussion:
Micro$oft is considering porting Edge to Linux
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Yrrah
2019-09-30 12:42:40 UTC
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"Microsoft is trying to find one more home for its revamped Edge
browser. Its Technical Program Manager for web, Sean Larson, has put
out a new survey on Twitter asking feedback from developers who depend
on Linux for development, testing, and other stuff.
The survey asks developers what distro they prefer for development,
and whether they prefer browsers for automated testing, web
development or personal browsing. It also asks what things they
require in a Linux web browser to meet their development needs.(...)
Some Reddit users are arguing that MS Edge is just another skin for
Chromium and bringing it to Linux will only add another browser to the
crowd. A few others are saying it would be more helpful MSFT open
sources binaries of Chromium Edge (...)"
Article:
<https://fossbytes.com/microsoft-to-bring-edge-browser-to-linux-wants-feedback/>
A discussion:
<https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/d9wix5/ms_is_considering_porting_edge_to_linux_and_asks/>

Who's interested in yet another Chromium (= Gugle) derivative?
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_%28web_browser%29#Browsers_based_on_Chromium>

The "best" of both worlds: Gugle and Micro$oft ;-)
I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole...


Yrrah
occam
2019-09-30 13:02:02 UTC
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Post by Yrrah
I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole...
Ahem... that expression has now been superseded by:

"I would not touch it with a 3.048 meter barge pole"
Yrrah
2019-09-30 13:19:06 UTC
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Post by occam
Post by Yrrah
I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole...
"I would not touch it with a 3.048 meter barge pole"
LOL.

Yrrah
Dan Purgert
2019-10-01 01:27:43 UTC
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I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole...
"I would not touch it with a 3.048 meter barge pole"
I'm still a fan of the "I wouldn't touch ... with a 39-and-a-half foot
pole" . :)

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RonB
2019-10-01 19:52:08 UTC
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Post by Dan Purgert
Post by occam
Post by Yrrah
I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole...
"I would not touch it with a 3.048 meter barge pole"
I'm still a fan of the "I wouldn't touch ... with a 39-and-a-half foot
pole" . :)
Microsoft Edge for Linux!? Pinch me, I'm dreaming!! :)

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Cybe R. Wizard
2019-10-01 20:00:56 UTC
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On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 19:52:08 -0000 (UTC)
Post by RonB
Post by Dan Purgert
Post by occam
Post by Yrrah
I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole...
"I would not touch it with a 3.048 meter barge pole"
I'm still a fan of the "I wouldn't touch ... with a 39-and-a-half
foot pole" . :)
Microsoft Edge for Linux!? Pinch me, I'm dreaming!! :)
What are they thinking?
Trying EVERYTHING to remain relevant.
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Jasen Betts
2019-10-02 09:14:03 UTC
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Post by RonB
Post by Dan Purgert
Post by occam
Post by Yrrah
I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole...
"I would not touch it with a 3.048 meter barge pole"
I'm still a fan of the "I wouldn't touch ... with a 39-and-a-half foot
pole" . :)
Microsoft Edge for Linux!? Pinch me, I'm dreaming!! :)
What are they thinking?
trying to double their market share perhaps.
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RonB
2019-10-02 22:50:49 UTC
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Post by RonB
Post by Dan Purgert
Post by occam
Post by Yrrah
I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole...
"I would not touch it with a 3.048 meter barge pole"
I'm still a fan of the "I wouldn't touch ... with a 39-and-a-half foot
pole" . :)
Microsoft Edge for Linux!? Pinch me, I'm dreaming!! :)
What are they thinking?
trying to double their market share perhaps.
I haven't really kept up with Edge, but isn't the newest version just
another "flavor" of Chrome? On the rare occasion when I need to use "Chrome"
(for Send to Kindle, mostly) I just use Vivaldi.
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Ned Latham
2019-10-01 02:06:18 UTC
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Post by Yrrah
I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole...
"I would not touch it with a 3.048 meter barge pole"
That's "metre", occam: a "meter" is a measuring device.
John Corliss
2019-10-01 07:22:36 UTC
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Post by occam
Post by Yrrah
I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole...
"I would not touch it with a 3.048 meter barge pole"
That's "metre", occam: a "meter" is a measuring device.
I see the logic, but in America that's the bastardization we use.
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p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
2019-10-01 08:39:16 UTC
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Post by John Corliss
Post by Ned Latham
Post by occam
Post by Yrrah
I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole...
"I would not touch it with a 3.048 meter barge pole"
That's "metre", occam: a "meter" is a measuring device.
I see the logic, but in America that's the bastardization we use.
I think you mean bastardisation...

To be fair I think the frogs own the term.

I can live with meter but "color" that irks me. It lives in HTML and has
spread by Osmosis. When we have BREXSHITTED Gloriana will rewrite the
Internet in her own image! No nursey! I will have my say!

Then there's “honor”, “traveling”, “favorite”.

They just look like spelling mistooks.

No, no, it's too early for me to return to the home. Gerroff!

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2019-10-01 09:32:09 UTC
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Post by John Corliss
Post by Ned Latham
Post by occam
Post by Yrrah
I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole...
"I would not touch it with a 3.048 meter barge pole"
That's "metre", occam: a "meter" is a measuring device.
I see the logic, but in America that's the bastardization we use.
I think you mean bastardisation...
To be fair I think the frogs own the term.
I can live with meter but "color" that irks me. It lives in HTML and has
spread by Osmosis. When we have BREXSHITTED Gloriana will rewrite the
Internet in her own image! No nursey! I will have my say!
Then there's “honor”, “traveling”, “favorite”.
They just look like spelling mistooks.
Worry not, pooh. Clench your paws, we'll get thru it all. Post Brexit,
Trump's spellin' will be obligatory in the UK. Covfefes all around.
p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
2019-10-01 10:24:49 UTC
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Post by occam
Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
Post by John Corliss
Post by Ned Latham
Post by occam
Post by Yrrah
I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole...
"I would not touch it with a 3.048 meter barge pole"
That's "metre", occam: a "meter" is a measuring device.
I see the logic, but in America that's the bastardization we use.
I think you mean bastardisation...
To be fair I think the frogs own the term.
I can live with meter but "color" that irks me. It lives in HTML and has
spread by Osmosis. When we have BREXSHITTED Gloriana will rewrite the
Internet in her own image! No nursey! I will have my say!
Then there's “honor”, “traveling”, “favorite”.
They just look like spelling mistooks.
Worry not, pooh. Clench your paws, we'll get thru it all. Post Brexit,
Trump's spellin' will be obligatory in the UK. Covfefes all around.
Oh! joyous conflagration. The mighty and colorful Phoenix will once
again stir our loins as it arises to embrace its favorite cousin. The
off4forsure accounts of our betters will swell and the trickle down of
honey from the gutted lion's belly will be there for all to share.

Fook, I just checked. Tate and Lyle got sold to the Yanks. Arise
pussies!

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2019-10-01 10:29:36 UTC
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Post by Yrrah
I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole...
"I would not touch it with a 3.048 meter barge pole"
That's "metre", occam: a "meter" is a measuring device.
I see the logic, but in America that's the bastardization we use.
I think you mean bastardisation...
To be fair I think the frogs own the term.
I can live with meter but "color" that irks me. It lives in HTML and has
spread by Osmosis. When we have BREXSHITTED Gloriana will rewrite the
Internet in her own image! No nursey! I will have my say!
Then there's “honor”, “traveling”, “favorite”.
They just look like spelling mistooks.
Worry not, pooh. Clench your paws, we'll get thru it all. Post Brexit,
Trump's spellin' will be obligatory in the UK. Covfefes all around.
Right after it gets renamed to "Airstrip One", of course.


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John Corliss
2019-10-02 06:58:16 UTC
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Post by John Corliss
Post by Ned Latham
Post by occam
Post by Yrrah
I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole...
"I would not touch it with a 3.048 meter barge pole"
That's "metre", occam: a "meter" is a measuring device.
I see the logic, but in America that's the bastardization we use.
I think you mean bastardisation...
To be fair I think the frogs own the term.
I can live with meter but "color" that irks me. It lives in HTML and has
spread by Osmosis. When we have BREXSHITTED Gloriana will rewrite the
Internet in her own image! No nursey! I will have my say!
Then there's “honor”, “traveling”, “favorite”.
They just look like spelling mistooks.
No, no, it's too early for me to return to the home. Gerroff!
I have a British in-law who once tried to tell me:

"It's not 'gasoline', it's PETROL."

and:

"You Yanks with your bloody Liverpudlian accent. It's not 'erbs', it's
'HERBS'. Look at the word. How's it spelled?"

In answer, I told him that he's living in America now and to fucking get
used to it. However, I did take his advice on the word "herbs".

He now drinks cold "bloody lawga", watches both NFL and college football
avidly, has gotten used to driving in the right hand lane. Can't get him
to stop drinking Scotch though.

He has an identical twin brother. When that one comes over to visit,
it's fun to see how much my in-law's accent has been Americanized.

Resistance is futile.
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William Unruh
2019-10-02 18:17:53 UTC
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Shadow
2019-10-02 19:20:22 UTC
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On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 18:17:53 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh
My son has a Canadian father and a British mother. Especially when he
was young his accent would shift to a British one when talking to her,
and a Canadian when talking to me.
I can't speak English to a Brazilian, or Portuguese to an
Englishman.

For example, if I say "Hour" to a Brazilian it comes out as
"How-er". I pronounce the "H".
Speaking Portuguese to an Englishman I sound like an fscking
Eyetie (is that derogatory? If so, sorry).
I'm convinced I have two brains. One is paranoid. That's the
good one. Unfortunately neither would be much use for teaching
languages..
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2019-10-03 05:32:18 UTC
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Post by John Corliss
Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
Post by John Corliss
Post by Ned Latham
Post by occam
Post by Yrrah
I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole...
"I would not touch it with a 3.048 meter barge pole"
That's "metre", occam: a "meter" is a measuring device.
I see the logic, but in America that's the bastardization we use.
I think you mean bastardisation...
To be fair I think the frogs own the term.
I can live with meter but "color" that irks me. It lives in HTML and has
spread by Osmosis. When we have BREXSHITTED Gloriana will rewrite the
Internet in her own image! No nursey! I will have my say!
Then there's “honor”, “traveling”, “favorite”.
They just look like spelling mistooks.
No, no, it's too early for me to return to the home. Gerroff!
"It's not 'gasoline', it's PETROL."
"You Yanks with your bloody Liverpudlian accent. It's not 'erbs', it's
'HERBS'. Look at the word. How's it spelled?"
In answer, I told him that he's living in America now and to fucking get
used to it. However, I did take his advice on the word "herbs".
So resistance was futile!
See below.
Post by John Corliss
He now drinks cold "bloody lawga", watches both NFL and college football
avidly, has gotten used to driving in the right hand lane. Can't get him
to stop drinking Scotch though.
He has an identical twin brother. When that one comes over to visit,
it's fun to see how much my in-law's accent has been Americanized.
Except when he is talking to his brother lhis accent will shift to be
far more British.
My son has a Canadian father and a British mother. Especially when he
was young his accent would shift to a British one when talking to her,
and a Canadian when talking to me.
Post by John Corliss
Resistance is futile.
Resistance? Maybe politeness, and civility, since you apparently were
extremely married to maintaining the habits of your youth.
And tell me, just exactly, who isn't if they don't change locations?

I lived on the East Coast in Connecticut when I was in the service.
After about two years or so, I picked up their accent to the point where
one time I told somebody in a bar that I am from the West Coast, was
born and raised there. The other person expressed surprise, told me that
he would never have guessed that because I didn't sound like somebody
from there.

You adapt to your environment, it's a human thing. The environment
doesn't adapt to *you*.
Since it was so important to you, he felt he might as well humor you.
Nonsense. My in-law slowly (over a period I might add of over 45 years)
simply adapted to his environment.

I was born in the United States, population 329,745,560. OTOH, GB has a
population of 66,986,342. The United States has a version of the
"English" language which is mildly divergent from its origins and as
time goes by, the divergence is most likely to increase.

It's the height of arrogance to believe it's appropriate to come to my
country and tell me how to talk. Put the shoe on the other foot. How
appropriate would it be if I went to GB and started telling people to
talk and spell with the way United States citizens do?

Oh, I forgot. I'm talking to a Canuck.
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Carlos E.R.
2019-10-01 12:35:38 UTC
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Post by occam
Post by Yrrah
I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole...
"I would not touch it with a 3.048 meter barge pole"
Why, what's the joke?

Please explain for those that don't have English as first language and
do not live in an English speaking country ;-)

I found this:
<https://www.redlandsdailyfacts.com/2014/08/10/he-wont-touch-issue-with-3048-meter-pole/>
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Shadow
2019-10-01 13:20:00 UTC
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On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 14:35:38 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
Post by Carlos E.R.
Post by occam
Post by Yrrah
I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole...
"I would not touch it with a 3.048 meter barge pole"
Why, what's the joke?
Please explain for those that don't have English as first language and
do not live in an English speaking country ;-)
<https://www.redlandsdailyfacts.com/2014/08/10/he-wont-touch-issue-with-3048-meter-pole/>
//The world has left the U.S. behind in the use of the metric system
but I don't think we really care. We'll convert as soon as we feel
like it. This is probably a touchy subject for some people.//

Specially those that can't do math.

9.85 kilometers is 9850 meters which is 98500 decimeters which
is 985000 centimeters.

9.85 miles is X yards which is X feet which is X inches.
No, I can't be bothered. Not without a calculator.
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p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
2019-10-01 13:51:15 UTC
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Post by Shadow
On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 14:35:38 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
Post by Carlos E.R.
Post by occam
Post by Yrrah
I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole...
"I would not touch it with a 3.048 meter barge pole"
Why, what's the joke?
Please explain for those that don't have English as first language and
do not live in an English speaking country ;-)
<https://www.redlandsdailyfacts.com/2014/08/10/he-wont-touch-issue-with-3048-meter-pole/>
//The world has left the U.S. behind in the use of the metric system
but I don't think we really care. We'll convert as soon as we feel
like it. This is probably a touchy subject for some people.//
Specially those that can't do math.
9.85 kilometers is 9850 meters which is 98500 decimeters which
is 985000 centimeters.
9.85 miles is X yards which is X feet which is X inches.
No, I can't be bothered. Not without a calculator.
Once we have BREXSHITTED and our Empire restored you will once again be
given the choice to experience the warmth and succour provided by Her
Majesty's Brest to those Johnny foreigners who can master the
magnificence nay genius of our Imperial system. The Rod, the Pole, and
the Perch. The Yard, the Furlong and the Hand will usurp the one
dimensional easy ticket that is the frog system and become as second
nature to you after a brief and I hope not to painful visit to our
re-education and learning center at a black site somewhere or tuther
donated by our benevolent partners, the Americans.

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John Hasler
2019-10-01 16:04:19 UTC
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The world has left the U.S. behind in the use of the metric system but
I don't think we really care. We'll convert as soon as we feel like
it. This is probably a touchy subject for some people.
The metric system has been legal for trade in the USA since the 1860s.
The USA participated in the first Convention of the Metre in the late
19th century where the formal international metric system was created.
Shortly afterward (basically as soon as the technical details were
settled and official standards became available) the metric system
became the basic system of units for the USA with the customary units
being redefined as derived units.

The medical and pharmaceutical industries in the USA use only metric
units. Look around and you will see that almost every package of goods
sold in the USA that is labeled with units has both metric and customary
given. Every auto mechanic is familiar with metric units.

We *are* gradually converting. What the critics who constantly piss and
moan about how backward we are for using customary units and demand that
something be done really want is a law banning the use of the customary
system. Not going to happen. In the mean time computers are making the
whole issue less and less important.
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Yrrah
2019-10-01 17:33:13 UTC
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Post by John Hasler
The medical and pharmaceutical industries in the USA use only metric
units.
Metric units are used in all sciences afaik.
Post by John Hasler
Look around and you will see that almost every package of goods
sold in the USA that is labeled with units has both metric and customary
given. Every auto mechanic is familiar with metric units.
We *are* gradually converting.
Which is sensible.
Post by John Hasler
What the critics who constantly piss and
moan about how backward we are for using customary units and demand that
something be done really want is a law banning the use of the customary
system. Not going to happen. In the mean time computers are making the
whole issue less and less important.
It's a matter of great importance in reactionary litlle England aka
Brexittain:
"Leader of the House of Commons Jacob Rees-Mogg has issued a set of
rules for staff in his office to follow, including a list of banned
words and a requirement to use imperial measurements.(...)"
<https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jacob-rees-mogg-rules-staff-language-grammar-spelling-a9022981.html>


Yrrah
John Corliss
2019-10-02 07:03:17 UTC
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Post by John Hasler
The world has left the U.S. behind in the use of the metric system but
I don't think we really care. We'll convert as soon as we feel like
it. This is probably a touchy subject for some people.
The metric system has been legal for trade in the USA since the 1860s.
The USA participated in the first Convention of the Metre in the late
19th century where the formal international metric system was created.
Shortly afterward (basically as soon as the technical details were
settled and official standards became available) the metric system
became the basic system of units for the USA with the customary units
being redefined as derived units.
The medical and pharmaceutical industries in the USA use only metric
units. Look around and you will see that almost every package of goods
sold in the USA that is labeled with units has both metric and customary
given. Every auto mechanic is familiar with metric units.
We *are* gradually converting. What the critics who constantly piss and
moan about how backward we are for using customary units and demand that
something be done really want is a law banning the use of the customary
system. Not going to happen. In the mean time computers are making the
whole issue less and less important.
My motorcycle (a Victory, made in the USA), my car (a Buick, made in the
USA) and many of the appliances in my house use metric fasteners. I have
a complete set of metric sockets in my tool-box. Hell, even my ruler
about two feet away from my left hand as I type this has inches and
centimeters on it. My car's speedometer is in both MPH and KPH.

Slowly but surely, kicking and screaming all the way, America is being
metricized. In fact, I agree with the French proposal for metric time.
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Carlos E.R.
2019-10-02 08:58:58 UTC
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Post by John Hasler
The world has left the U.S. behind in the use of the metric system but
I don't think we really care. We'll convert as soon as we feel like
it. This is probably a touchy subject for some people.
The metric system has been legal for trade in the USA since the 1860s.
The USA participated in the first Convention of the Metre in the late
19th century where the formal international metric system was created.
Shortly afterward (basically as soon as the technical details were
settled and official standards became available) the metric system
became the basic system of units for the USA with the customary units
being redefined as derived units.
The medical and pharmaceutical industries in the USA use only metric
units. Look around and you will see that almost every package of goods
sold in the USA that is labeled with units has both metric and customary
given. Every auto mechanic is familiar with metric units.
We *are* gradually converting. What the critics who constantly piss and
moan about how backward we are for using customary units and demand that
something be done really want is a law banning the use of the customary
system. Not going to happen. *In the mean time computers are making the*
*whole issue less and less important*.
On the contrary! Two NASA missions to Mars got lost because of this issue.

<https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1999-oct-01-mn-17288-story.html>

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Climate_Orbiter>
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Carlos E.R.
2019-10-02 09:07:24 UTC
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Post by Carlos E.R.
Post by John Hasler
The world has left the U.S. behind in the use of the metric system but
I don't think we really care. We'll convert as soon as we feel like
it. This is probably a touchy subject for some people.
The metric system has been legal for trade in the USA since the 1860s.
The USA participated in the first Convention of the Metre in the late
19th century where the formal international metric system was created.
Shortly afterward (basically as soon as the technical details were
settled and official standards became available) the metric system
became the basic system of units for the USA with the customary units
being redefined as derived units.
The medical and pharmaceutical industries in the USA use only metric
units. Look around and you will see that almost every package of goods
sold in the USA that is labeled with units has both metric and customary
given. Every auto mechanic is familiar with metric units.
We *are* gradually converting. What the critics who constantly piss and
moan about how backward we are for using customary units and demand that
something be done really want is a law banning the use of the customary
system. Not going to happen. *In the mean time computers are making the*
*whole issue less and less important*.
On the contrary! Two NASA missions to Mars got lost because of this issue.
<https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1999-oct-01-mn-17288-story.html>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Climate_Orbiter>
I should have said "emphasis added by me".
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Cheers, Carlos.
John Corliss
2019-10-03 05:34:12 UTC
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Post by Carlos E.R.
Post by John Hasler
The world has left the U.S. behind in the use of the metric system but
I don't think we really care. We'll convert as soon as we feel like
it. This is probably a touchy subject for some people.
The metric system has been legal for trade in the USA since the 1860s.
The USA participated in the first Convention of the Metre in the late
19th century where the formal international metric system was created.
Shortly afterward (basically as soon as the technical details were
settled and official standards became available) the metric system
became the basic system of units for the USA with the customary units
being redefined as derived units.
The medical and pharmaceutical industries in the USA use only metric
units. Look around and you will see that almost every package of goods
sold in the USA that is labeled with units has both metric and customary
given. Every auto mechanic is familiar with metric units.
We *are* gradually converting. What the critics who constantly piss and
moan about how backward we are for using customary units and demand that
something be done really want is a law banning the use of the customary
system. Not going to happen. *In the mean time computers are making the*
*whole issue less and less important*.
On the contrary! Two NASA missions to Mars got lost because of this issue.
<https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1999-oct-01-mn-17288-story.html>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Climate_Orbiter>
Apparently you're not a scientist or you'd realize that anecdotal
evidence isn't proof of anything.
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Carlos E.R.
2019-10-03 14:49:33 UTC
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Post by John Corliss
Post by Carlos E.R.
Post by John Hasler
The world has left the U.S. behind in the use of the metric system but
I don't think we really care. We'll convert as soon as we feel like
it. This is probably a touchy subject for some people.
The metric system has been legal for trade in the USA since the 1860s.
The USA participated in the first Convention of the Metre in the late
19th century where the formal international metric system was created.
Shortly afterward (basically as soon as the technical details were
settled and official standards became available) the metric system
became the basic system of units for the USA with the customary units
being redefined as derived units.
The medical and pharmaceutical industries in the USA use only metric
units. Look around and you will see that almost every package of goods
sold in the USA that is labeled with units has both metric and customary
given. Every auto mechanic is familiar with metric units.
We *are* gradually converting. What the critics who constantly piss and
moan about how backward we are for using customary units and demand that
something be done really want is a law banning the use of the customary
system. Not going to happen. *In the mean time computers are making the*
*whole issue less and less important*.
On the contrary! Two NASA missions to Mars got lost because of this issue.
<https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1999-oct-01-mn-17288-story.html>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Climate_Orbiter>
Apparently you're not a scientist or you'd realize that anecdotal
evidence isn't proof of anything.
To me that is far from anecdotal. Just a prominent case (and
expensive!), but not the only one.
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William Unruh
2019-10-03 20:29:47 UTC
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Post by Carlos E.R.
Post by John Corliss
Post by Carlos E.R.
Post by John Hasler
The world has left the U.S. behind in the use of the metric system but
I don't think we really care. We'll convert as soon as we feel like
it. This is probably a touchy subject for some people.
The metric system has been legal for trade in the USA since the 1860s.
The USA participated in the first Convention of the Metre in the late
19th century where the formal international metric system was created.
Shortly afterward (basically as soon as the technical details were
settled and official standards became available) the metric system
became the basic system of units for the USA with the customary units
being redefined as derived units.
The medical and pharmaceutical industries in the USA use only metric
units. Look around and you will see that almost every package of goods
sold in the USA that is labeled with units has both metric and customary
given. Every auto mechanic is familiar with metric units.
We *are* gradually converting. What the critics who constantly piss and
moan about how backward we are for using customary units and demand that
something be done really want is a law banning the use of the customary
system. Not going to happen. *In the mean time computers are making the*
*whole issue less and less important*.
On the contrary! Two NASA missions to Mars got lost because of this issue.
<https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1999-oct-01-mn-17288-story.html>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Climate_Orbiter>
Apparently you're not a scientist or you'd realize that anecdotal
evidence isn't proof of anything.
To me that is far from anecdotal. Just a prominent case (and
expensive!), but not the only one.
I agree, the examples are NOT anecdotal. They are facts, disproving a
general hypothesis, that the difference between using Imperial and
metric units is becoming unimportant. Of could it could then be argued
that 1999 and 1998 were the early bad old days, when the difference was
important but in the past 5 minutes (or 5 years) it has become less important and that is what
he meant. Of course he gave no evidence that it had become less
important. He had a theory that somehow computers made it less
important, but the link is obscure. If a builder gets delivered a piece
of metric plywood (1.2x2.4m) instead of the 4x8 piece of US plywood, no number of
computers would help him.
John Corliss
2019-10-04 09:01:10 UTC
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Post by Carlos E.R.
Post by John Corliss
Post by Carlos E.R.
Post by John Hasler
The world has left the U.S. behind in the use of the metric system but
I don't think we really care. We'll convert as soon as we feel like
it. This is probably a touchy subject for some people.
The metric system has been legal for trade in the USA since the 1860s.
The USA participated in the first Convention of the Metre in the late
19th century where the formal international metric system was created.
Shortly afterward (basically as soon as the technical details were
settled and official standards became available) the metric system
became the basic system of units for the USA with the customary units
being redefined as derived units.
The medical and pharmaceutical industries in the USA use only metric
units. Look around and you will see that almost every package of goods
sold in the USA that is labeled with units has both metric and customary
given. Every auto mechanic is familiar with metric units.
We *are* gradually converting. What the critics who constantly piss and
moan about how backward we are for using customary units and demand that
something be done really want is a law banning the use of the customary
system. Not going to happen. *In the mean time computers are making the*
*whole issue less and less important*.
On the contrary! Two NASA missions to Mars got lost because of this issue.
<https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1999-oct-01-mn-17288-story.html>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Climate_Orbiter>
Apparently you're not a scientist or you'd realize that anecdotal
evidence isn't proof of anything.
To me that is far from anecdotal. Just a prominent case (and
expensive!), but not the only one.
And to me, it's a perfect example of anecdotal evidence which is is no
way a reflection upon the citizens of the United States, only upon one
or more of the nation's many governmental agencies.
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Aragorn
2019-10-01 13:26:31 UTC
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Post by occam
Post by Yrrah
I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole...
"I would not touch it with a 3.048 meter barge pole"
Why, what's the joke?
The "joke" is that US Americans — and to a far lesser extent also some
British and Canadians — cling onto the Imperial measurements system for
dear life, while the rest of the world — including Australia and New
Zealand, both of which are officially English-speaking countries — have
already long adopted the metric system.

By consequence, the age-old expression "I wouldn't touch it with a
10-foot pole" should technically become "I wouldn't touch it with
a 3.048-meter pole" — 10 feet equals 3.048 meter. ;)

It's ridiculous, of course, because that expression has a cultural
significance, and changing the measurements used in the expression
would completely destroy that significance.

No one would expect the expression in question to be altered for the
sake of converting the Imperial size to metric size. It's like those
typical expressions...

- "Your mileage may vary."; or
- "Never judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes." [*]


[*] At least, then you'll be a mile away. *And* you'll have his shoes.
:p
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Carlos E.R.
2019-10-01 13:51:59 UTC
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Post by Aragorn
Post by Carlos E.R.
Post by occam
Post by Yrrah
I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole...
"I would not touch it with a 3.048 meter barge pole"
Why, what's the joke?
The "joke" is that US Americans — and to a far lesser extent also some
British and Canadians — cling onto the Imperial measurements system for
dear life, while the rest of the world — including Australia and New
Zealand, both of which are officially English-speaking countries — have
already long adopted the metric system.
By consequence, the age-old expression "I wouldn't touch it with a
10-foot pole" should technically become "I wouldn't touch it with
a 3.048-meter pole" — 10 feet equals 3.048 meter. ;)
Ah! :-D
Post by Aragorn
It's ridiculous, of course, because that expression has a cultural
significance, and changing the measurements used in the expression
would completely destroy that significance.
Indeed.

Yes, I cringe when in a movie here they translate what they say to metre
units. Nobody in speech says 3.048 metres. Or 3 metres, if the movie was
made in the USA and the action is in the USA.
Post by Aragorn
No one would expect the expression in question to be altered for the
sake of converting the Imperial size to metric size. It's like those
typical expressions...
- "Your mileage may vary."; or
- "Never judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes." [*]
Right. I say move an inch, and I certainly do not measure things in inches.
Post by Aragorn
[*] At least, then you'll be a mile away. *And* you'll have his shoes.
:p
:-D
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William Unruh
2019-10-01 14:11:14 UTC
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Post by Carlos E.R.
Post by Aragorn
It's ridiculous, of course, because that expression has a cultural
significance, and changing the measurements used in the expression
would completely destroy that significance.
Indeed.
Yes, I cringe when in a movie here they translate what they say to metre
units. Nobody in speech says 3.048 metres. Or 3 metres, if the movie was
made in the USA and the action is in the USA.
Actually saying : 10 metre pole would not alter the meaning of the
phrase, and would, to those in the know, strengthen it, since 10 m is
further than 10ft.
There is no significance to the exact 10ft distance-- it is simply a far
enough distance that the thing touched could not affect you and is a
pole that you could manipulate.
Post by Carlos E.R.
Post by Aragorn
No one would expect the expression in question to be altered for the
sake of converting the Imperial size to metric size. It's like those
typical expressions...
- "Your mileage may vary."; or
- "Never judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes." [*]
Right. I say move an inch, and I certainly do not measure things in inches.
Post by Aragorn
[*] At least, then you'll be a mile away. *And* you'll have his shoes.
:p
:-D
Yrrah
2019-10-01 16:53:45 UTC
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Post by William Unruh
Actually saying : 10 metre pole would not alter the meaning of the
phrase, and would, to those in the know, strengthen it, since 10 m is
further than 10ft.
An alternative expression is "I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole".
10 ft/3 m was about the length of a common type of barge pole.
Ever tried to wield a 10 m pole? ;-)


Yrrah
William Unruh
2019-10-01 19:28:38 UTC
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Post by Yrrah
Post by William Unruh
Actually saying : 10 metre pole would not alter the meaning of the
phrase, and would, to those in the know, strengthen it, since 10 m is
further than 10ft.
An alternative expression is "I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole".
10 ft/3 m was about the length of a common type of barge pole.
Ever tried to wield a 10 m pole? ;-)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quant_pole

A quant (quant pole) is a pole used to propel a barge (barge pole) or punt through water.
....
A quant used with a punt is about 4 metres (13 ft) long
...
Large sailing wherries employed a quant pole at least 8 metres (26 ft) in length

So apparently a 10m pole COULD be wielded.
Post by Yrrah
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Carlos E.R.
2019-10-02 09:02:06 UTC
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Post by William Unruh
Post by Carlos E.R.
Post by Aragorn
It's ridiculous, of course, because that expression has a cultural
significance, and changing the measurements used in the expression
would completely destroy that significance.
Indeed.
Yes, I cringe when in a movie here they translate what they say to metre
units. Nobody in speech says 3.048 metres. Or 3 metres, if the movie was
made in the USA and the action is in the USA.
Actually saying : 10 metre pole would not alter the meaning of the
phrase, and would, to those in the know, strengthen it, since 10 m is
further than 10ft.
A pole that long is impossible to handle by a human: it would be too
heavy, unyieldly, and would break under its own weight, unless made much
thicker and thus even heavier.

...
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Yrrah
2019-10-02 12:27:04 UTC
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Post by Carlos E.R.
Post by William Unruh
Actually saying : 10 metre pole would not alter the meaning of the
phrase, and would, to those in the know, strengthen it, since 10 m is
further than 10ft.
A pole that long is impossible to handle by a human: it would be too
heavy, unyieldly, and would break under its own weight, unless made much
thicker and thus even heavier.
You haven't seen Mr Unruh ;-)


Yrrah
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2019-10-01 13:54:12 UTC
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Post by Aragorn
No one would expect the expression in question to be altered for the
sake of converting the Imperial size to metric size.
Don't be ridiculous man. This is one reason why we are leaving the EU!
God alone knows how we have suffered under this tyranny!

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William Unruh
2019-10-01 13:53:28 UTC
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Post by Carlos E.R.
Post by occam
Post by Yrrah
I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole...
"I would not touch it with a 3.048 meter barge pole"
Why, what's the joke?
Please explain for those that don't have English as first language and
do not live in an English speaking country ;-)
3.048 m is the same as 10 ft. (2.54 cm/inch, by definition of the inch,
10ft=120 inches 120*2.54= 304.8cm=3.048m which is however vastly
overspecific, since a 10ft pole is not exactly 10ft long-- rather it is
probably somewhere between 9'6" and 10'6" long. So it should be 3 m
pole (one sig fig as first year engineers are taught)
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<https://www.redlandsdailyfacts.com/2014/08/10/he-wont-touch-issue-with-3048-meter-pole/>
Soviet_Mario
2019-09-30 16:49:43 UTC
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Post by Yrrah
x-posted: alt.comp.freeware,alt.os.linux
"Microsoft is trying to find one more home for its revamped Edge
browser. Its Technical Program Manager for web, Sean Larson, has put
out a new survey on Twitter asking feedback from developers who depend
on Linux for development, testing, and other stuff.
The survey asks developers what distro they prefer for development,
and whether they prefer browsers for automated testing, web
development or personal browsing. It also asks what things they
require in a Linux web browser to meet their development needs.(...)
Some Reddit users are arguing that MS Edge is just another skin for
Chromium and bringing it to Linux will only add another browser to the
crowd. A few others are saying it would be more helpful MSFT open
sources binaries of Chromium Edge (...)"
<https://fossbytes.com/microsoft-to-bring-edge-browser-to-linux-wants-feedback/>
<https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/d9wix5/ms_is_considering_porting_edge_to_linux_and_asks/>
Who's interested in yet another Chromium (= Gugle) derivative?
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_%28web_browser%29#Browsers_based_on_Chromium>
The "best" of both worlds: Gugle and Micro$oft ;-)
I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole...
Yrrah
[JOKE ON]

Linux is considering ignoring Edge porting to itself :) :) :)

moreover

Linux-users also are considering ignoring Edge tout court :)


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2019-09-30 17:14:58 UTC
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x-posted: alt.comp.freeware,alt.os.linux
"Microsoft is trying to find one more home for its revamped Edge
browser. Its Technical Program Manager for web, Sean Larson, has put
out a new survey on Twitter asking feedback from developers who depend
on Linux for development, testing, and other stuff.
Just another Chromium-based browser? :)
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